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Post by Weaver on Jan 7, 2009 18:51:38 GMT -5
Or does anyone else find Lyoto Machida both boring and overly confident in his own abilities?
I mean, I know he's a talented fighter that uses an unorthodox style to bewilder opponents, but I really just do NOT believe it at all...
He beat BJ... weighing much more then he did, in a DECISION... in K-1! That really doesn't prove anything to me. He beat Rich Franklin at an event I didn't see, so maybe someone can correct me.
And the biggest feather in his cap seems to be his UD over Tito Ortiz who really seemed like he just wanted to get his contract with the UFC over with, just by laying on his back.
I know that this maybe portray me as someone who "Doesn't enjoy the art of MMA" but really, I enjoy the fluidity and smoothness of the sport as well as anyone. But I find Lyoto a very VERY boring fighter to watch.
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Post by moe on Jan 7, 2009 19:17:30 GMT -5
no man i totally agree with you i hate lyoto everyone seems to think he is amazing and honestly i just dont see it i hate fighters who fucking just run away and lay there
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Post by Gabriel Dickson on Jan 7, 2009 20:00:18 GMT -5
Machida's a bit boring, but very technically sound striker. He's an accurate striker, and he has good sweeps.
I don't know. He gets the job done, so it all works in the end of the day.
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Post by Shooter on Jan 7, 2009 20:22:47 GMT -5
he is boring. Still he wins. I honestly think they're holding him off because there's a real chance that he'd win the belt in a very boring fashion. He has skills but isn't alot of fun to watch.
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Post by jimmythomson on Jan 7, 2009 21:38:32 GMT -5
Machida is mad boring, perfect example is his fight with Tito. Tito almost finished him with a triangle (which I almost shit myself when he got it locked on). Machida managed to survive, however, and though he is boring he is very technical and is skilled at what he does. Do I enjoy his fights? No, and for the reason that he runs. I don't enjoy watching Kalib Starnes vs. Nate Quarry on a consistant basis and that's what you get when you watch a Machida fight.
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Post by Danilo Braga on Jan 8, 2009 21:24:22 GMT -5
I think he's exciting, I've never been bored watching him, but I understand why some would dislike his style, it's not unreasonable for a fan to expect a fighter to create his own openings instead of just waiting for them to come
I thought Ortiz vs Machida was a great fight, maybe because I thought it was funny how frustrated Tito was getting, he waits for openings, but when he does attack it's usually really cool, punch/leg sweep combo, switch kicks, knees to the body that send the guy to the mat, plus he was taking Ortiz down and threw him around whenever Ortiz tried to take him down, I don't really see his style as running, he just doesn't get hit and then he scores really good points, he's like any top boxer except instead of jabbing and poking he throws some really cool stuff
I think he's a big deal, it's hard to imagine what anybody can do to him.
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Post by Weaver on Jan 8, 2009 23:21:33 GMT -5
Shooter brings up an interesting point...
Machida vs. Evans.
Evans has shown himself to be OBSCENELY slick, great at angles, stepping in and out and pushing the pace when necessary. Machida, as you have pointed out, has a masterful defense that many have trouble getting through or reading to create their own openings.
If they were to meet next (assuming Machida can get passed the fucking animal, Thiago Silva) who would you guys take?
Personally, I think Evans hasn't hit his pinnacle yet. He barely broke a sweat against Liddell and then put a GnP clinic on against Forrest. Sloppy guard or not, Forrest got worked on the ground... and yes, as a huge Griffin fan, that is painful to say.
I'd say Evans would win by second or third round TKO. Since his cardio has been questionable (though we wouldn't know as his last few fights haven't gone more then 2 and a half rounds) he'd have to try and knock Machida out quickly.
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Post by jimmythomson on Jan 9, 2009 2:23:49 GMT -5
The funny thing about that fight is Rashad and Machida both should've lost to Tito. Tito had Rashad beat, thanks to him holding the fence though he lost a point and drawed him. Then he was losing to Machida and almost pulled out that triangle. Had Machida not flipped over and got Tito's ankle underneath them (forcing Tito to release or suffer some damage) then Tito would've subbed him or put him to sleep.
Tito is one of my least favorite fighters, but I don't like Rashad or Machida either. I give them their props, they are both undefeated and for good reason. I just think they both should've lost to Tito.
Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda, but didn't.
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Post by Danilo Braga on Jan 9, 2009 9:50:40 GMT -5
Machida would be a bad fight for Rashad, Rashad couldn't handle Forrest in the stand up and Machida's takedown defense is better than Forrest's, I think Machida would pick him apart on the feet
I don't know if you can say Machida should have lost to Tito, Machida was dominating the fight before he got caught with a triangle, Tito left a little room, but it was Machida's sub defense that got him out of it
Rashad on the other hand, he was on the losing side of a draw, he got lucky.
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Post by Weaver on Jan 9, 2009 12:43:24 GMT -5
Rashad was on the losing side of the draw on that fight, I agree with... but after that match a new Rashad emerged. One who wasn't limited strictly to takedown and ground positioning offense. The match, in my eyes, forced Rashad to evolve as a fighter.
And to say that Rashad couldn't handle Forrest on the feet... is it me, or did Rashad win that fight? He caught on to Forrest's gameplan after the third round started, caught a leg, dodged a punch, and threw one of his own...
I really think that Rashad's not even shown the true depth and breadth of his abilities. His strength against a guy like Machida would definitely come from his ability to mix up his outstanding hands with takedown ability.
It would be an interesting clash of styles.
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Post by Der Vermittler on Jan 10, 2009 17:35:25 GMT -5
From what I've seen of Rashad's fights is that the guy just tends to raise or lower his level based on the guy that he's fighting. It seems that when there's a guy that he doesn't perceive as a threat, he sort of coasts through the fight and does enough not to lose. He fights at the level of his competition.
He's come through lately as a finisher I think because the guys he's fighting now, he knows if he doesn't put them away, there is a very real chance that they will put him away.
That's just the way it seems to me.
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Post by Weaver on Feb 1, 2009 0:01:24 GMT -5
After watching that match against Silva, and rewatching a lot of his other matches... I officially retract EVERY bad thing I said about Machida. He may backpedal the whole time, but really... it's no different then a Rashad fake'n'bait.
Congrats Machida, and older Machida fans.
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Post by jimmythomson on Feb 1, 2009 1:42:25 GMT -5
He did a great job against Silva, that was something I haven't seen before. Someone getting KO'd as the buzzer sounds.
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Post by Weaver on Feb 1, 2009 2:12:53 GMT -5
BJ did it to Sherk
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Post by heat on Feb 1, 2009 4:06:33 GMT -5
Rashad v Machida could end up being a snore fest for the ages however. Both are excellent fighters, but both like to lay back and pick their spots. It seems neither ever rush anything and wait for the opponent to give them an angle. I foresee a lot of circling in that one.
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